it is a shock to everyone periods >> with that said if people do not understand that obama is talking that you have to pay your bill before you leave for dinner. we are starting to talk about it in human terms. i do like this. we do have another fiscal cliff issue in about another 30 days. >> and dale is going through problems with pcs. everyone is going after tablets now. computers are not selling well. nothing in the pc environment is doing well. dale should go private. this will be a very big deal for them. michael dell will have to kick in his 15%. he started this company and his college rowing. people stated that he cannot do it but he did. but the old and desktops are not just as effective as they used to be. dell does get 50% of their revenue in foreign markets. >> mike zuckerberg irk this his moment to become steve jobs. what is it going to be? >> we don't know if this point to be a phone or not. this is very intriguing. the only time that we have seen marked zuckerberg irk was when his company was humiliated. ever since then he has been met. i do not mean that in a better way